Buy a Cross Cut Carcass Back Saw

Lie-Nielsen crosscut carcass back saw hand saw

I have found that a lot of small cross cut operations (like with mortise & tenon joints and dovetail joints) can be accomplished with a dovetail saw, because even though it has rip teeth, the teeth are so small that they can make an acceptable cut. This is good news for woodworkers who can only afford to buy one back saw. But if you want a cleaner cut, and the ability to make longer cuts (like a shelf dado) then a longer crosscut saw, like a “Carcass” saw, is what you should buy.

Traditionally, the frames of furniture casework were called a “carcass”, so the common crosscut back saw used to cut dado joints and mortise & tenon joints was called a “carcass saw”.  Typically a Carcass back saw is longer than a dovetail saw, so that it can be used to cut longer dado joints for shelves.

Vintage carcass saws for sale are rarely listed as “carcass”. A lot of uninformed sellers list them as “dovetail saws” or “tenon saws”. But at around 11″ to 14″ long, with a saw plate less tall than a tenon saw, they’re obviously not dovetail saws or tenon saws. So keep that in mind when searching around for one. Carcass back saws will have around 11-14 ppi. A tenon saw can easily be converted into a carcass saw by sharpening the teeth for cross cutting.

Read the above section on buying a dovetail saw to see why I chose to invest in new Lie-Nielsen back saws. So years ago, after a lot of research, I decided to also purchase their 14 ppi cross cut back saw (see it here) for cutting joinery across the wood grain (e.g. cutting tenon cheeks).

Lie-Nielsen crosscut carcass back saw hand saw figured maple handle

This is the carcass saw of choice among students in my woodworking school, because of the thin saw plate and ease of cutting. These carcass saws come ready to use from Lie-Nielsen, and won’t need to be sharpened for a long time.

Lie-Nielsen crosscut carcass back saw hand saw cutting a piece of pine wood in a woodworking workbench vise

I also own several Disston back saws that I have changed to crosscut back saws, like this Disston No. 4 steel back saw:

Disston #4 steel back saw

It really is a great back saw, but required a bit of refurbish work and sharpening to get it cutting nicely. But I like refurbishing hand tools and sharpening hand saws, so it was not a chore for me.

Disston hand saw steel back engravings that say

If you decide that you’d prefer to buy a vintage/antique back saw, make sure to inspect the blade for kinks. Hold it up to your eyes, and sight down the tooth line to make sure the saw plate is straight.

Back saw plate with cross cut saw teeth

If you’ve inherited (or accidently purchased) a hand saw with a kinked saw plate, as a last resort you can smack the back of the steel/brass back of the saw on a piece of wood and it may straighten out, but not always (and it can make it worse), so it’s best to buy back saws with straight saw plates. Also check the handles for broken pieces. A broken saw horn is very common, but certainly not a problem if you’re looking for a low priced back saw.

 Buy a Rip Tenon Back Saw

Lie-Nielsen tenon brass back saw with figured maple handles on a woodworking workbench

A large tenon saw (with rip teeth) may not be required at first, because a lot of tenons that you may cut are small enough to just use a dovetail saw. But if you plan on cutting any tenons longer than the height of your dovetail saw’s plate, then you’ll need a tenon saw.

Next to miter saws, tenon saws are the largest back saws. And they’re used for ripping along the grain, predominantly on tenon cheeks. On Ebay and in flea markets you’ll see people trying to pass carcass saws off as tenon saws, which is incorrect. Tenon saws are much larger (around 22-ish inches long with a 16-ish inch long blade x 3 or 4 inches tall) with 10-14 ppi. But don’t get too caught up on the seller’s name of the saw. Just get a back saw size and tooth configuration that fits the job you require, or modify it to do so.

Close-up figured maple handle view of a Lie-Nielsen tenon brass back saw

Years ago, after talking to some friends I decided to purchase Lie-Nielsen’s Tenon Rip Saw (16″ long blade version) for around $150. You can find it here. I chose the “thin plate” version ( .020″ thick) for easier sawing. It was really nice having such a great saw arrive so sharp.

Lie-Nielsen brass back saw engraving

If you want to refurbish and sharpen an antique tenon saw, then check with some tool dealers or on Ebay. Just make sure the saw plate is around 3 to 4-inches tall.

 Buy a Miter Box Back Saw with a Miter Box

Millers Falls Number 75 Miter Box Saw and Miter Back Saw on a woodworking workbench

What is a miter box? A miter box is a frame that holds a long back saw to make accurate cuts at different angles. I use my antique miter boxes and miter back saws all the time because I can set the angle and make very precise cuts across the grain. And I can repeat the same length cut over and over again for multiple pieces. In my opinion, the accuracy and cleanliness is even better than with the power miter saw (a.k.a. “chop saw”). Using a miter box saw saves you from having to spend a lot of time truing up the edges of a board with block planes or chisels. It can give you perfect 90 degree angles.

Woodworker using a miter box saw on a woodworking workbench in Roy Underhill's Woodwright's School

Most of the antique Disston, Stanley, or Millers Falls miter saws will work just fine, if sharpened properly (if possible, purchase miter box saws manufactured before World War 2). But most antique miter boxes will be paired with a saw, so just find a decent miter box and the saw will likely be good enough. You can fit most any miter back saw with a miter box.

Millers Falls number 75 Miter Box Saw and Miter Back Saw on a woodworking workbench

There are different types of miter boxes to consider. I would avoid the type of miter box that uses your carcass back saw (like the Stanley No. 150). When I tried one, it injured the blade of my back saw because it clamps down on your hand saw’s back and saw plate. If you stick with the antique Millers Falls miter boxes or Stanley miter boxes, you should be happy.

Close-up tag of Millers Falls number 75 Miter Box Saw

I own about seven miter boxes and miter box saws, including a Millers Falls 75 miter box , a Millers Falls 74 C, among others. I’ve also used a Stanley 2358 miter box and found it satisfactory. I haven’t spent much time tuning any of mine up (aside from sharpening the saw) and they work fine. Just check the parts to make sure they function properly and that no major parts are missing. Almost all of my miter boxes are missing parts, so don’t stress if the one you find doesn’t have all the parts. You can usually find old user manuals (along with parts diagrams) that have been scanned to PDFs for viewing online. Use these to track down your missing parts on Ebay.

Close-up of back saw teeth on a Millers Falls number 75 Miter Box

Here are some things to look at: Make sure you can lock the box at any angle and check to see if any screws are missing from the guide posts (arms that bob up and down).

Close-up of screw nut on a Millers Falls number 75 Miter Box

If you can’t afford a miter box saw right now, then that’s alright. You can use a crosscut carcass back saw to make your cross cuts (using a bench hook), and true up the end with a shooting board or block plane & try square. It’s just more work.

But if you plan on buying a miter box saw, then try to find your miter box saw locally, like on free classified websites, like Craigslist so you can physically inspect it. I’ve paid $15-$25 for local miter boxes and miter saws. A tool show (like at a M-WTCA meeting / sale near you) is another excellent source, where I have found several of my miter boxes.

Having Miter Boxes & Miter Saws shipped to you is definitely an option but the shipping can raise the price substantially. But if this is your only option for a good saw, most miter boxes and miter box back saws on Ebay have good descriptions and photos. If you can’t find any locally, then check some of these miter box saws out:

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